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Renewable Energy Questions/Discussion => Automation, Controls, Inverters, MPPT, etc => Topic started by: ghurd on March 24, 2013, 10:23:50 am

Title: Starter Kit: What is Missing?
Post by: ghurd on March 24, 2013, 10:23:50 am
Guys,

You remember back when you first started playing with RE?  And no matter how many trips to the store, or how many mail order packages arrived,  there was still something important missing... so what was missing?

It would be kind of a generic list answering the question "What do I need to get started?"

What would most people need to get everything in one package?

What is missing from these lists?

What is pointless on these lists?

Package #1)
"Ametek Pack"  (and most treadmill motors)
Good for about 135W of 12V charging power.
Bridge for blocking diode use, and heat sink compound.
Ghurd kit.
2 small fet heat sinks.
2 Schotty (flyback) diodes.
8 dump load resistors.
Some battery sized ring terminals.
Some average quality 1/4" Blue-size QD terminals (though I recommend soldering everything important).
Bit of 2 smaller sizes of heat shrink tube for the few small connections.
Foot or 2 of larger heat shrink tubing to cover factory wires for UV protection.

Package #2)
For larger brushed PM DC motors.
Good for about 200W.
The same, but for 50% larger systems.
3 fets, 3 Schottkys, 3 heatsinks and 12 dump load resistors.

Package #3)
Good for about 400W.
It would have 3 bridges for 3-phase PMAs,
and proportionally more fets, heatsinks, Schottkys and power resistors.

Any ideas would be helpful.

Thanks,
G-
Title: Re: Starter Kit: What is Missing?
Post by: tomw on March 24, 2013, 12:58:11 pm
G-

How about one of those smoke collection and replacement adaptors so they can stuff the smoke back in after an "oh crap" moment?

Just saying.

Tom
Title: Re: Starter Kit: What is Missing?
Post by: ghurd on March 24, 2013, 02:02:35 pm
stuff the smoke back in after an "oh crap" moment?

Understood.  8" of duct tape.   ;D
G-
Title: Re: Starter Kit: What is Missing?
Post by: Wolvenar on March 25, 2013, 03:38:32 am
stuff the smoke back in after an "oh crap" moment?

Understood.  8" of duct tape.   ;D
G-

LOL great one, maybe a full roll, many other good uses

Wire ties /zip ties.. Almost indispensable to keep wires neat and not in moving parts.
Title: Re: Starter Kit: What is Missing?
Post by: ghurd on March 31, 2013, 10:38:34 am
Wire ties /zip ties.. Almost indispensable to keep wires neat and not in moving parts.

Yes.  Good.
And UV resistant zip ties.
The generic colored ones from dollar / hardware stores do not last very long in sunlight.

Nobody else wants to chime in?
G-
Title: Re: Starter Kit: What is Missing?
Post by: philb on March 31, 2013, 11:23:14 am
Tower and wiring options would be good.

URL's of where good additional info can be found.
Title: Re: Starter Kit: What is Missing?
Post by: tomw on March 31, 2013, 11:40:22 am
Tower and wiring options would be good.

URL's of where good additional info can be found.

A wiring and setup youtube video or a CD.

Photos of user installs.

Should be easy for a computer guru like you, G-.

Tom
Title: Re: Starter Kit: What is Missing?
Post by: Wolvenar on April 01, 2013, 02:22:21 am
A card with a shameless promotion of this site if they need more support?

 ::)
Title: Re: Starter Kit: What is Missing?
Post by: MadScientist267 on April 01, 2013, 08:38:09 pm
At least one battery? :)
Meter(s)
Fuses/Breakers
Someone you can tell "here, hold this for a minute..."
A fair understanding of Ohm's law

More if I think of it...

Steve
Title: Re: Starter Kit: What is Missing?
Post by: Norm on April 01, 2013, 10:03:02 pm
At least one battery? :)
Meter(s)
Fuses/Breakers
*Someone you can tell "here, hold this for a minute..."
A fair understanding of Ohm's law

More if I think of it...


Steve

*(the Ametec motor with 3 blades attached during a lull in the wind)
Norm
Title: Re: Starter Kit: What is Missing?
Post by: jack11 on April 30, 2013, 01:28:41 pm
copper tubing

why buy the cable lug connectors, I make them out of copper tubing, soldered on, up to any size cable I need, for battery controller inverter, etc connections
Title: Re: Starter Kit: What is Missing?
Post by: gww on May 27, 2013, 07:09:12 pm
You forgot the hot glue and the hot glue gun.
gww
Title: Re: Starter Kit: What is Missing?
Post by: scrapman on May 27, 2013, 08:35:39 pm
A card with instructions on how to find the local scrap yards and how not upset the owners / workers (pacifiers on hand in form of cartons of fizz - cash money )and be Abel to buy bits and pieces cheap based on world prices of metals in pounds or kilos+margin eg. to days price of copper @ $7-25 per kg.
Peter
Title: Re: Starter Kit: What is Missing?
Post by: niall on May 27, 2013, 09:18:35 pm
scrap yards....a kind of pure heaven in a way....definitely should be on the list .....
Title: Re: Starter Kit: What is Missing?
Post by: ghurd on June 23, 2013, 08:27:31 am
Scrap yards that SELL anything are a thing of the past, around here at least.
The non-ferrous scarp yard had a dump truck load of AL pipe/tube/angle/channel.  New cut-offs.  Huge pile right at my feet.  They wouldn't even TALK about selling a couple 2' pieces.  Law suits related to people misidentifying the type or suitability of the material was the only explaination someone in the office would give me.

Battery, fuses/breakers, fuse holders, meters, etc all need sized to suit the specifics.
No way to ship a battery cost effectively, even if batteries were free.

I usually supply links to pics or posts related to their system and question.
G-
Title: Re: Starter Kit: What is Missing?
Post by: scrapman on June 23, 2013, 10:39:06 pm
ghurd
Sad the way looking for a way to sue someone or business instead of taking responsibility has ruined the ability to get materials for projects which would never happen due to costs of new material.
The way around this we purchased metal as scrap (eg aluminum) sold as scrap metal with no recommendation to its use ,refusal to sell is extremely frustrating.
Large companies make mistakes to ,a shipping container of magnesium wrongly identified as aluminum was tipped into furness of aluminum and photos showed bottom burnt out and 40 tons of contents 3 ft thick on floor.
Peter
Title: Re: Starter Kit: What is Missing?
Post by: MadScientist267 on June 25, 2013, 09:56:49 pm
 Holy crap, that had to have been quite the event to witness...

Does seem to be a widespread thing tho, scrap-anything disappearing... It's as if the concept of recycling has been taken too far...

I guess when the economy gets to the point it has, the fat all gets trimmed from every nook and cranny there is, and where people like us see the intrinsic value of a given scrap item, the economic model only sees the monetary value of the raw materials, and so direct recycling suffers as a result.

I too am one of those "repurpose anything into anything else" types, and miss the availability of seemingly trivial items to others.

The show must go on tho, so.... ? :-\

Steve