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Title: Guns, Ammo and perceptions....
Post by: tomw on January 16, 2012, 10:58:13 am
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Guns, ammo, and perceptions

You may have heard on the news about a southern California man put under 72-hour psychiatric observation when it was found
he owned 100 guns and allegedly had (by rough estimate) 1-million rounds of ammunition stored in his home. The house also featured a secret escape tunnel.

My favorite quote from the dimwit television reporter: "Wow! He has about a million machine gun bullets." The headline referred to it as a "massive weapons cache".

By southern California standards someone even owning 100,000 rounds would be called "mentally unstable. Just imagine if he lived elsewhere:

In Arizona , he'd be called "an avid gun collector".

In Arkansas , he'd be called "a novice gun collector".

In Utah , he'd be called "moderately well prepared", but they'd probably reserve judgment until they made sure that he had a corresponding quantity of stored food.

In Montana , he'd be called "The neighborhood 'Go-To' guy".

In Idaho , he'd be called "a likely gubernatorial candidate".

In Wyoming , he'd be called "an eligible bachelor".

In Southern Delaware, he'd probably be the guy next door.  There is only 6 of them in Northern Delaware.


And, in Oklahoma , he'd be called "a deer hunting buddy".

In Ohio, he would be called Ghurd!  ;D

No, I'm not "back" but found this interesting.

Just to lighten the mood.

Tom
Title: Re: Guns, Ammo and perceptions....
Post by: jlt on January 16, 2012, 11:36:21 am
With the price of ammo and reloading components going up It sounds like a better investment  than gold. 

 I still have some of the Of the military powder I paid a buck a pound .

 
Title: Re: Guns, Ammo and perceptions....
Post by: wilfor03 on January 16, 2012, 11:45:28 am
Quote

No, I'm not "back" but found this interesting.

Just to lighten the mood.

Tom


In Alabama, I hope I could call him "my neighbor"!!!!    ;D

Bill
Title: Re: Guns, Ammo and perceptions....
Post by: bj on January 16, 2012, 11:54:22 am
   After reading that, and having a good chuckle, I made myself a large note, and posted it on the wall
above the computer.
     It reads"Do Not, repeat, NOT, annoy Ghurd for any reason whatsoever".
Title: Re: Guns, Ammo and perceptions....
Post by: bj on January 16, 2012, 12:36:18 pm
  If this works, just proving I wasn't bluffing.  Also to try and figure out attaching.

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guess it worked
Title: Re: Guns, Ammo and perceptions....
Post by: halfcrazy on January 16, 2012, 03:52:45 pm
Well in Maine we would call him hardly ready for deer season ;D
Title: Re: Guns, Ammo and perceptions....
Post by: Tritium on January 16, 2012, 05:12:30 pm
 ??? The "SYSTEM"  :o in Kalifornia is what needs psychiatric observation!  ;)

Thurmond
Title: Re: Guns, Ammo and perceptions....
Post by: tomw on January 16, 2012, 06:49:16 pm
Now, this is a bit insane.

.950 JDJ Largest centerfire rifle ever built. (They say)

The guy in the red shirt nearly loses it onto the floor.

In case you get attacked by a T-Rex or a Burlington Northern Locomotive.

Enjoy!!

Tom
Title: Re: Guns, Ammo and perceptions....
Post by: m12ax7 on January 16, 2012, 07:03:08 pm
I think he's back
Title: Re: Guns, Ammo and perceptions....
Post by: halfcrazy on January 16, 2012, 07:41:48 pm
Tom
That is sweet I can not say if I would have stuff enough to dare to pull that trigger but man that's frigging awesome  ;D
Title: Re: Guns, Ammo and perceptions....
Post by: halfcrazy on January 16, 2012, 07:53:50 pm
Ok not to hijack Toms thread but this one seemed to fit  ;D


You Tube is like a sickness watch a video and then look to the right and click another interesting one.

Ryan
Title: Re: Guns, Ammo and perceptions....
Post by: ghurd on January 17, 2012, 08:42:47 am
In Ohio, he would be called Ghurd!  ;D

Hey!  I resemble that remark!

If you dust the wires behind te computer desk... and find an AK... you might be ghurd.
G-
Title: Re: Guns, Ammo and perceptions....
Post by: Wolvenar on January 17, 2012, 04:50:49 pm
I'd like to see what that gun was doing to its targets. wow
Title: Re: Guns, Ammo and perceptions....
Post by: wilfor03 on January 17, 2012, 06:39:24 pm
Hey Mr. gHurd....

Glad to see you over here, was wondering where you were. Still getting snow up there???/   :(

Bill
Title: More sage Advice and gun stuff...
Post by: tomw on January 18, 2012, 05:18:30 pm
In an effort to distract myself I have been reloading a herd of 9mm Luger Ammo with my old RCBS presses. And hunting 2nd Amendment gems online.

Like this batch:

Some words to the wise. Shooting Advice from various Concealed Carry Instructors. If you own a gun, you will appreciate this. If not, you should get one and learn how to use it:

Guns have only two enemies rust and politicians.

Its always better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

Cops carry guns to protect themselves, not you.

Never let someone or something that threatens you get inside arms length.

Never say "Ive got a gun." If you need to use deadly force, the first sound they hear should be the safety clicking off.

The average response time of a 911 call is 23 minutes, the response time of a .357 is 1400 feet per second.

The most important rule in a gunfight is: Always win - cheat if necessary.

Make your attacker advance through a wall of bullets . . . You may get killed with your own gun, but he'll have to beat you to death with it, cause it'll be empty.

If youre in a gun fight:

If you're not shooting, you should be loading.

If you're not loading, you should be movin,

If you're not movin', you're dead.

In a life and death situation, do something . . . It may be wrong, but do something!

If you carry a gun, people call you paranoid. Nonsense! If you have a gun, what do you have to be paranoid about?

 You can say 'stop' or 'alto' or any other word, but a large bore muzzle pointed at someone's head is pretty much a universal language.
 
You cannot save the planet, but you may be able to save yourself and your family.

If you believe in the 2nd Amendment, please share.


Oh, for those that have interest in such things as DIY ammunition:

Reloading is relaxing but much like DIY electricity production you really don't save a lot of cash unless you can salvage the brass which is problematic with semiautos. It calms me and you can customise the loads the way you like them rather than the one size fits all of factory loads.

9 mm F.C. once fired brass. from Brassman.com
115 grain , FMJ bullets from brassman.com
4.7 grains HP38 [From 1998]
CCI #500 Small Pistol Primers [from 1999]

Nice, light end loading. Cycles the P-11 perfectly. Not too loud. Untested accuracy. Only cracked off 10 rounds "limp wristed" to check cycling and sanity of the powder charge.

Brass was sorted and came up with 500+ hulls of "F.C." brass and a half dozen Speer branded.

Tumbled the cases for 4 or 5 hours to clean then decapped and sized in one pass. Ran them through the expander die to just open enough to start a bullet.

Tested my 25 year old RCBS 5-0-5 scale against the test weights. After cleaning some crud off the beam and slide weights it is as good as new. Dead on at all possible combinations of the test weights.

Decided on the 4.7 grain powder charge of HP38. Set my ancient hand me down Ohaus powder measure small measure to throw that amount. Ran off 160 rounds,  with the first 10 as the test rounds. Weighed every 10 charges to assure the measure stayed on. Absolutely no variation detected in 160 rounds.

Seated bullets to 1.165" overall length which is a tad shorter than the specification of 1.169" but they seem to cycle fine.

This is range ammo so not super critical like carry ammo which I only use factory Hornady 147 gr XTP ammo for.

Now I need to rig up a catch screen to recover the brass for next time. Snow is hell on recovering brass when the automatic flings them 20 feet away.  8)

It is the DIY side of shooting and I haven't done any reloading since befor Y2K!

Carry on.

Tom

PS. Added this photo of the ballistics lab after the original post:

(http://pics.ww.com/d/444559-1/100_5034.JPG)
Title: Re: Guns, Ammo and perceptions....
Post by: halfcrazy on January 18, 2012, 06:15:04 pm
Tom
Those are great I plan on spreading them to some friends. I love reloading myself been working the kinks out of my 45acp rounds they seem to be working great now.


Ryan
Title: Re: Guns, Ammo and perceptions....
Post by: kurt on January 24, 2012, 11:04:12 pm
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Now I need to rig up a catch screen to recover the brass for next time. Snow is hell on recovering brass when the automatic flings them 20 feet away.  8)

that is why i have always hated reloading for semi-autos crawling around on the ground looking for brass is not my idea of a good time and usually you are lucky if you end up with half of it back at least were i shoot were it is all grass    :-\
Title: Re: Guns, Ammo and perceptions....
Post by: tomw on January 25, 2012, 08:25:11 am
Just found leobrass and they sell range brass really cheap. Mixed headstamps and range run but I got 1000 9mm on the way for $33.50 in hand:

http://leobrass.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=39&osCsid=lohjlmne3nkchibio39s4am2a4 (http://leobrass.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=39&osCsid=lohjlmne3nkchibio39s4am2a4)

So finding them all back is less of an issue at 3.3 cents a trigger pull for the brass.

Tom
Title: Re: Guns, Ammo and perceptions....
Post by: Wolvenar on January 27, 2012, 05:04:51 am
Any good leads you could give me for large quantity ammo for our critter gun (.22)
Title: Re: Guns, Ammo and perceptions....
Post by: ghurd on January 27, 2012, 08:45:21 am
"large quantity... (.22) "
The problem is shipping and handling, even for the big outfits.

Might try Mil Surp wholesalers, that you can get to in person.
There was a couple dealers in this region that drove to wherever the transprting ships are, loaded a 1-ton pickup and a large box trailer at the importer's place, then drove back here.
That's a LONG drive, but their retail price was great.

If you find someone who deals with Russian ammo (ie Wolf) in full cases (instead of single boxes), they may have some steel case .22 at a good price by the case.  Smelly, or strange smelling, but I was impressed with it.  Russian "Junior" target ammo was great (cheap, accurate, etc), and I was getting it for $5.50 a brick not all that many years ago.

If the local retail is $2 a box, the seller has no reason to sell it below $1.75 anyway.
G-

Title: Re: Guns, Ammo and perceptions....
Post by: Wolvenar on January 27, 2012, 09:07:09 am
A semi local hardware store carries a lot of surplus russian ammo, not sure I ever saw .22 though
OK deals, but not great. Guess I should look if I get in that area again sometime soon.
Title: Re: Guns, Ammo and perceptions....
Post by: kurt on January 27, 2012, 12:08:45 pm
hate to say it but if your walmart still has a sporting goods section that sells ammo that would probably be your best bet for cheap .22lr ammo they should have 500 round bricks just don't get the Remington thunderbolts they are very inconsistent shot to shot and allot of duds. they are famous for it.  otherwise i was just looking at midway USA at there 22lr selection and they have a few dif brands in the $20-25 for 500 rounds range that is really not that bad considering today's prices  but then there is shipping on top of that and that is the deal killer
Title: Re: Guns, Ammo and perceptions....
Post by: Wolvenar on January 27, 2012, 12:20:31 pm
Thanks for the suggestions..

Interesting article in a local newspaper
(http://www.anotherpower.com/albums/funnies/417451_181160148651587_150231905077745_233560_1708906103_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Guns, Ammo and perceptions....
Post by: tomw on January 27, 2012, 12:48:20 pm


Interesting article in a local newspaper

Now that is my kind of granny! Fears nothing.

Wow, a .45, a 9mm and a .38. Probably 3 plus rounds of anti fear juice in that gals reach.

Tom
Title: Re: Guns, Ammo and perceptions....
Post by: tomw on January 27, 2012, 12:57:10 pm
This is an older person defending himself story:

http://readingeagle.com/article.aspx?id=361536 (http://readingeagle.com/article.aspx?id=361536)

Hopefully these stories help balance the scale in favor of citizens being able to defend themselves with deadly force if needed.

3 teens attacking a 95 year old man had a bad day and picked on the wrong old fellow!

Tom
Title: Re: Guns, Ammo and perceptions....
Post by: bj on January 27, 2012, 01:15:44 pm
    Thanks for posting that Tom.  Every little bit helps.
Title: Re: Guns, Ammo and perceptions....
Post by: Wolvenar on February 12, 2012, 01:07:36 pm
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