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Re: My Scratch Pad
« Reply #510 on: October 28, 2017, 01:22:51 pm »
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Re: My Scratch Pad
« Reply #511 on: November 28, 2017, 05:53:13 pm »
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Re: My Scratch Pad
« Reply #512 on: November 28, 2017, 08:37:20 pm »
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Re: My Scratch Pad
« Reply #513 on: November 29, 2017, 08:09:05 am »
A riggin any self respecting backwoods rigger would be proud of...

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Re: My Scratch Pad
« Reply #514 on: November 30, 2017, 12:27:59 am »
Well it's low level but definitely present and yes, this is rat nest breadboard action, so I'm not expecting silence. The "forever in dev" charger, of course, is of which I speak... haha

Earlier I saw the noise floor competing heavily with the shift in each step on the high side sense line to ground, so it's pretty smooth and quiet considering.

This one was taken from the master Vfb output headed for the KA7500 [TL494].

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Time 5uS, 20mV/Div, Signal ground ref, AC mode.

Not taken at full throttle; CV mode running about 15A or so into 13.5V as I recall on this one (38% of theoretical, 47% of limited max output).

Tube memory was used, and scope isolated on dedicated battery.

Amplitude of spikes increases proportionally and in the same pattern as drive/output goes up... They remain the same otherwise. Exact source unclear at the moment, it's pretty prominent throughout as a common mode leak, probably in the grunt, but there's no noticeable shift in PWM duty component... As such, pretty "invasive" ::)

It'll be nice if that calms down a bit more after final assembly nears closer, as I think it's what's introducing a little bit of twitch in the amps, which of course causes the PID to react. Not obnoxious, but there at times. Hysteresis doesn't do too bad a job of handling it; window is about the same on the output voltage control; about 30mV keeps it in check for the moment.

It's possible the spikes are the hard CC foldback transistor catching (and suppressing) these needles at the master battery bus, as the one place they seem a bit more toned down is at the Vsense lead, but again, where's the PWM modulation? :o

They're not a real big deal as things sit but of course the OCD in me wants them gone. That said, overall I'm happy so far, it's been slow, but all the extra "hmm" is starting to show sneak peeks of the rewards. Hopefully soon I'll have it fully laid out on vero and can turn everything over to code. These are sweet little boards, and once you've beaten the language and compiler into submission, they start to pull rabbits out of hats  ;D

Stay tuned lol
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Re: My Scratch Pad
« Reply #515 on: November 30, 2017, 02:15:48 am »
Not coming from the charger... in fact narrowed down to one of like 4 core system components that I wasn't about to shut down to see which one was making it. Everything else had been taken down. There are other ways lol...

Anyhow, this is directly across the battery bars where the 2 strings join and head for the rest of the bus...

No charger, "Dry":

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No charger, "Wet":

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Charger at Soft CC (Bulk mode, ~32A 13.5V), Dry:

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And Same, Wet:

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Yeah, there's a difference... not much tho... Whatever else might be there, this thing can't see it.

5uS/Div, 2mV/Div, AC coupled

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Re: My Scratch Pad
« Reply #516 on: November 30, 2017, 05:21:28 pm »
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Re: My Scratch Pad
« Reply #517 on: December 01, 2017, 08:49:51 am »
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Re: My Scratch Pad
« Reply #518 on: December 09, 2017, 06:36:54 pm »
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Next up... LOL
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Re: My Scratch Pad
« Reply #519 on: December 09, 2017, 07:36:19 pm »
Anybody else still use this old trick going from breadboard to perf etc?  ;D

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There's "physical schematics", and then there's physical schematics lol
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Re: My Scratch Pad
« Reply #520 on: December 10, 2017, 06:42:32 am »
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And the ugly side LOL...

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Re: My Scratch Pad
« Reply #521 on: December 10, 2017, 08:05:52 am »
It's alive!

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Re: My Scratch Pad
« Reply #522 on: December 10, 2017, 08:20:48 am »
Full tilt in hard CC...

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Re: My Scratch Pad
« Reply #523 on: December 12, 2017, 09:53:15 pm »
Some more cleaning up...

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Re: My Scratch Pad
« Reply #524 on: December 15, 2017, 07:36:34 pm »
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