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Title: should have listened to Wolv
Post by: bj on February 06, 2013, 08:00:38 am
  Because I was offered a really good deal,  I decided to try Microsoft's new O.S.  Wolv wasn't impressed, and
I should have paid heed.  It might be fine for a touch type application, where you never have to alter/play with
it, but from a tinker's point of view, not good.
  So, back to 7.
  Should have listened Wolv.  Won't make that mistake again. ;)
Title: Re: should have listened to Wolv
Post by: Wolvenar on February 06, 2013, 08:54:09 am
Fix the misery of lost start menu/orb at least.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/classicshell/ (http://sourceforge.net/projects/classicshell/)
Title: Re: should have listened to Wolv
Post by: Cornelius on February 07, 2013, 12:38:59 am
Strange...
I like the new win8 interface... :o

I've been a computer tech. for over 25 years with several MSCP's, and i know how to dive into the innards of windows to get it just the way i like, but i don't feel the need to do that with win8... :P
Even with a mouse, i feel the interface are better to use than the classic desktop.

If i now just could afford a 32"flat monitor with touch that i could embed down in my desk... 8)
Title: Re: should have listened to Wolv
Post by: Wolvenar on February 07, 2013, 10:31:49 am
The wife and I have played with win 8 on such a touch screen monitor.
It actually makes it work somewhat reasonable, with the exception that this screen is somewhat dynamic and often changed the positioning of things every other time you return to it.

Well I thought it was ok until I got their pathetic replacement for the BSOD (at Best Buy)
The stability issues I have seen so much is the major problem I have.
I was just trying to connect to wifi when I got their new error screen.
My sis in law just bought a laptop with win8 and she has had nothing but troubles with the college software on it.

Look for my previous post about it to see just a few examples.

BTW,  I also have been doing this for decades, and have such M$ certs.
But in my experience in getting those certs all I found they are good for is making a big impression on some clueless HR person that's hiring, or similar.
When all they do is try to beat the idea that the right answer can ONLY be the M$ centric one, while in reality the multiple choice they offer has many valid answers.

It's seems to me to be plain and simple attempts to brainwash you into thinking they are the only solution and are great etc etc.

Yeah, the tablet interface may be nice for a touch interface, but to totally remove the start/orb/menu is an asinine move for all the desktop users. This will also create a problem for businesses who will have productivity drops in the hampered for desktop interface. Early corporate adopters will suffer with training /learning time of employees, or tech support adding in the above classic start menu or similar. These will potentially cost companies millions-to tens of millions depending on the size of company.

Let alone this feels like an unbelievable repeat of Windows ME/Vista instability, bugs and exploits.
Title: Re: should have listened to Wolv
Post by: Cornelius on February 07, 2013, 11:49:47 am
I wouldn't even begin thinking of replying to that post... ::)
Title: Re: should have listened to Wolv
Post by: MadScientist267 on February 07, 2013, 09:55:20 pm
Microshaft OS releases remind me of a kid learning how to ride a bike...

Getting overly excited when they get it halfway right, but when it comes to shift to the other leg to keep the momentum going, they slam on the brakes, spin out, go flying over the handlebars, and lose all headway they gained by doing it right with the other foot.

Meanwhile, Apple, Linux, and BSD are flying by on crotch rockets.

Steve
Title: Re: should have listened to Wolv
Post by: Norm on February 08, 2013, 09:53:06 am
You are using Microsoft Internet Explorer 7 web browser. YouTube is ending support for Internet Explorer 7 soon, update your browser now
Oh Man....why do they do this....I'm just hobbling on 7 as it is.....tried to get to
8 but I needed one update failed like out of 10.....retry......yeah retry.....retry....retry...
get daughter to help no luck for her either .....retry .....retry.....retry  oh BS !

wonder how soon soon is? and will I even know it or need it from what I use things on
this computer? :o
poor ol Norm. ;D
Title: Re: should have listened to Wolv
Post by: tomw on February 08, 2013, 10:40:16 am
You are using Microsoft Internet Explorer 7 web browser. YouTube is ending support for Internet Explorer 7 soon, update your browser now
Oh Man....why do they do this....I'm just hobbling on 7 as it is.....tried to get to
8 but I needed one update failed like out of 10.....retry......yeah retry.....retry....retry...
get daughter to help no luck for her either .....retry .....retry.....retry  oh BS !

wonder how soon soon is? and will I even know it or need it from what I use things on
this computer? :o
poor ol Norm. ;D

Norm;

That is why they made Firefox.

Have your daughter install that for you. You can probably use it as your default browser and should install easy?

Or just switch to Ubuntu or something that just works without constant need for broken updates unless you absolutely need Winderz.

I refuse to use M$ period. Youtube works fine with Firefox. Ubuntu works well for most common needs if you don't need to share files, etc from work or something. You can actually install it alongside Winderz and use either as needed.

Just an idea.

Just remembered I promised to send you some stuff. Got a shoulder rotator cuff injury that has been kicking my butt and everything involving physical activity like digging through my sheds is on hold for awhile here.

Tom
Title: Re: should have listened to Wolv
Post by: bj on February 08, 2013, 04:46:40 pm
   Like Tom said Norm----on everything actually, but Firefox in particular.  Haven't used IE on windows machines in
probably 6 years.  Takes a few minutes, depending on connection speed, but that's about all.  Been rock solid
dependable for me.
   Best of luck whatever you decide.
Title: Re: should have listened to Wolv
Post by: Wolvenar on February 09, 2013, 12:22:25 am
Firefox has auto updating these days right?


If not if your not terribly worried that Google Chrome's reporting to Google what you do.. 
It always "just works" as well, and transparently updates itself which has adobe flash built in and almost always up to date.

Chrome by default tries to do everything in its power to route your browsing through Google as a search before it continues to the actual URL. This has the effect of tracking your browsing, but adds a lot of simplicity.


All and all its your call, but I would most certainly dump IE if at all possible.
Title: Re: should have listened to Wolv
Post by: Norm on February 09, 2013, 11:01:03 pm
Nah I can't dump IE, not possible with me.....mostly I play DX Ball....
look up how stuff works ....go to You Tube and look up songs like
Merle Haggart....She's a Good Hearted Woman ......Animals-The House of the Rising Sun
Eagles-You Can't Hide Your Lying Eyes,
So as long as their ending support for Windows 7 doesn't mean that I
can't access stuff like this ....Let'm end support for Windows 7 I don't care !
 
 Ok Tom I heard you ....rotator cup eh?
My brother-in- law had that,  operation on it...Unemployment Comp.
harassed him about going back to work...so went back to work too soon then....reoperated
back to work....reoperated etc. ....so finally he put in for disability...
....so frustrated....with diabetes and all ....he let his diabetes get out of control
and he died on a Monday ....so he didn't get his mail with his first disability
check....59 yrs old.....so even with my well mild case of diabetes, my one knee that keeps
getting worse....I figure I'm still in the game....LOL

Norm.

Title: Re: should have listened to Wolv
Post by: Wolvenar on February 10, 2013, 05:56:56 pm
If IE can do it, any other browser can do it, and likely better. with exception on OLD or sites that run IE specific things, which are quite a small % anymore.
Web site designers have gotten sick of having to build for the general browser, then build it over again for IE, detect your running IE etc.
Title: Re: should have listened to Wolv
Post by: rossw on February 10, 2013, 11:36:53 pm
If IE can do it, any other browser can do it, and likely better.

Not too many of them support active-X, and quite a few things kicking about that *require* it.
Title: Re: should have listened to Wolv
Post by: Wolvenar on February 11, 2013, 03:24:16 am
Getting to be fewer of those every day, especially with html5 coming to maturity.
Title: Re: should have listened to Wolv
Post by: rossw on February 11, 2013, 03:31:00 pm
Getting to be fewer of those every day, especially with html5 coming to maturity.

Oh, sure, but there are still a lot of legacy things out there - webcameras, PVRs, lots of "household" items that used or required active-x to operate. Sure, they will die and be replaced in time - but meantime, the poor saps that have them are locked in to internet exploiter exploder explorer.
Title: Re: should have listened to Wolv
Post by: MadScientist267 on February 12, 2013, 03:41:29 am
I say ditch the whole OS entirely...

There is literally nothing in terms of just casual everyday use that I haven't been able to do in nix that would happen in doze... That's not to say that there *isn't* something (and I'm sure that somewhere, there is), but I have yet to run across it. I even blatantly went against company policy and was the only clown in our depot NOT running doze, just to make the point - it can all be done. Ran like that the entire time I was there, about 2 years, and nobody said squat because I was the one that could make things happen when doze was choking on some concept... And I wasn't surrounded by idiots... We were all geeks LOL

I have 10x the trouble with my phone on *purpose built mobile sites* than I have ever had with the alternatives to IE.

These days too, it's pretty much drop in a disc and roll, you're up and going with minimal effort for everyday things like surfing the web, IRC, and checking email (particularly if you're using a web based email system such as gmail etc... nothing to configure).

Bah, but who am I kidding... It's seemingly intimidating. I'll admit... But that's part of the fun in it... taking the plunge and seeing how things can REALLY be.

FWIW... ;)

Steve
Title: Re: should have listened to Wolv
Post by: WooferHound on February 18, 2013, 10:41:26 pm
I have never used Internet Explorer. It's been Netscape and Firefox for me and I love it. Norm you should try it.
Title: Re: should have listened to Wolv
Post by: WooferHound on February 19, 2013, 05:22:22 pm
A friend of mine called me and had purchased a new computer with Winblows 8 on it and could not figure out how to use it. His computer savvy exgirlfriend was having problems helping him too. I have never seen Winblows 8 before but I downloaded the Classic Shell that Wolv suggested and headed over to my friends house to help him get started.

I was amazed at how Not Intuitive and different it was. I was thinking that I would be able to figure it out and coach my friend on the differences from WinXP which he was using before, but no, a person may be able to figure it out but I didn't have that much time to mess with it so I decided to go ahead and install Wolv's Classic Shell recommendation and see how that goes. It took me 15 minutes to find the File Manager but once there it was a simple operation to install the Shell and get restarted.

After that it stopped raining and the clouds dissipated and , wow, I was in control. The first thing I did was install FireFox and make it his default browser. Stuff was still different but I was able to quickly figure out what was going on and get my friend to a point where he could take over.

I like XP and Win7 but Win8 and Internet Explorer Blows . . .
http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/13/02/19/1411246/windows-7-still-being-sold-on-up-to-93-of-british-pcs
Title: Re: should have listened to Wolv
Post by: Wolvenar on February 20, 2013, 02:50:05 am
Glad it help you guys get going WooferHound.
Title: Re: should have listened to Wolv
Post by: halfcrazy on May 18, 2013, 04:45:25 am
Yeah I upgraded my laptop (Wait "Upgrade"????) to Widows 8 and I could not even function. Man M$ screwed the pooch by throwing away the start button, I mean how are we supposed to turn the pc off without a start button ::)

Oh well I bought Start8 for 5 bucks and now am sort of used to it but damn they filled it full of more bloat than 7. I mean there stupid PDF viewer is awful.

Ryan
Title: Re: should have listened to Wolv
Post by: rossw on May 18, 2013, 05:03:02 am
Come over to the daaaark side, you'll love the stability and the "it-just-works" functionality :)
Title: Re: should have listened to Wolv
Post by: Norm on June 07, 2013, 12:55:58 pm
I have never used Internet Explorer. It's been Netscape and Firefox for me and I love it. Norm you should try it.
Woof , this was feb 18 ....about month and a half switched over to Firefox.....getting pretty used to it now....glad I switched.
Norm.
Title: Re: should have listened to Wolv
Post by: Norm on June 07, 2013, 12:57:50 pm
BTW How's the drill battery comin along?
Norm.
Title: Re: should have listened to Wolv
Post by: MadScientist267 on June 10, 2013, 01:55:36 am
Yeah I upgraded my laptop (Wait "Upgrade"????) to Widows 8 and I could not even function. Man M$ screwed the pooch by throwing away the start button, I mean how are we supposed to turn the pc off without a start button ::)

Oh well I bought Start8 for 5 bucks and now am sort of used to it but damn they filled it full of more bloat than 7. I mean there stupid PDF viewer is awful.

Ryan

Heh just saw a doze 8 commercial with 2 tablets pitted against each other. M$ had the ipad saying things like "I'm sorry, but I can only do one thing at a time, should we just play chop sticks instead?" in that creepy synth voice...  What exactly are they getting at here? Does this mean doze 8 can get more than one BSOD at once?  :o ;D

Steve
Title: Re: should have listened to Wolv
Post by: rossw on June 10, 2013, 02:05:03 am
What exactly are they getting at here?

"They" have never really been big on "honest" or "fair". If they can't beat the competition by outperforming them (and lets face it, they haven't come close since the 1980's) then they'll use inuendo, inference, implied limitations and anything else they can get away with in an attempt to discredit the competition.

Hmm, sounds a lot like players in another field, don't it? ;)
Title: Re: should have listened to Wolv
Post by: madlabs on June 10, 2013, 09:28:50 am
I hate WinBlows 8. I've had it for a few months now. Only good things are that it is stable and never hard crashes and that it will run all the odd pieces of ancient software I use.

Other than that, the list of things I hate is endless.

Jonathan
Title: Re: should have listened to Wolv
Post by: Wolvenar on June 11, 2013, 02:39:17 am
Wow, stable?
I have only seen one machine so far that can come close to that label.

Certainly not descriptive of my normal experience with it though.
Show floor and several home "8" devices have been unstable, ( many were brand new now more than a few hours old system(s)).
All failing in different and totally unpredictable ways.

As far as win 8 tablets go,  they task swap very similar to any other OS on tablet hardware.
Nothing special about how it handles anything compared to others at all, just to me it is more irritating .
But then, IOS and Android have their downfalls,
IOS... only lets you have what Apple thinks is good for you, * flash missing*  ( partially rectified by a jailbreak)
Android, still needs rooting on big name devices, but restrictions in the play store are much more lax.
My biggest beef with ALL of these three is the lack of a good terminal emulation.
Maemo does this VERY well but is a dead OS, hence my ravenous protection of my n900, and refusal to change phones.

I cant wait until a linux distro ( like ubuntu) gets ported to work well on a droid. Just hope they dump that ubuntu on crap. 


Title: Re: should have listened to Wolv
Post by: Norm on June 11, 2013, 07:15:07 am
What would you think would be the easiest machine and OS that you
can imagine and simplest for a beginner to get ?
Norm
Title: Re: should have listened to Wolv
Post by: tomw on June 11, 2013, 07:30:03 am
What would you think would be the easiest machine and OS that you
can imagine and simplest for a beginner to get ?
Norm

Norm;

I just use a dumb phone who needs all that other crap to make a damned phone call?

Just sayin.

Tom
Title: Re: should have listened to Wolv
Post by: madlabs on June 11, 2013, 08:48:38 am
I've only run 8 on one machine, an asus laptop. And I do have to stay stable. The other thing is a reasonable start up time. Those are the only reason I haven't tried to stuff a different OS into the laptop.

Other than that though, I hate 8 with the passion of a thousand white hot suns....

JOnathan
Title: Re: should have listened to Wolv
Post by: Wolvenar on June 11, 2013, 01:49:35 pm
Quote
The other thing is a reasonable start up time.

Windows 8 startup time, is generally not "startup" time.
They do a resume from hibernation like scenario, so it seems like a fast startup.
Besides any OS without a lot of extra dll's or processes to load can be quite fast in any decent pc today.

Norm
As far as a user friendly OS.

It really comes down to what you learn first it seems. 
From my experience with introducing operating systems to people. I have setup quite a few people new to computers with various systems.
All of them then prefer that OS and think the rest are troublesome. Those that start on anything but windows, will do ANYTHING but windows after a brief time with it.
The argument? "It doesn't have the stuff I need, or am used to"
Not long ago we used to hear the exact opposite with those trying another OS after Windows.

I have had more than a couple now that asked me to help then learn other OS, for the sole purpose that they are tired of all the malware in windows.

So its all about your needs, what you are willing to learn, what you learn first, and who you have around to help it seems.
Title: Re: should have listened to Wolv
Post by: madlabs on June 12, 2013, 09:03:39 am
So even if you hit "shut down", it hibernates? Is there any way to actually shut it down?

Jonathan
Title: Re: should have listened to Wolv
Post by: hiker1 on June 12, 2013, 11:36:04 am
pull the plug..............................
Title: Re: should have listened to Wolv
Post by: Wolvenar on June 12, 2013, 03:11:32 pm
This site explains things reasonably well.

http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/how-to-resolve-windows-8-boot-issues/ (http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/how-to-resolve-windows-8-boot-issues/)
Title: Re: should have listened to Wolv
Post by: bj on June 13, 2013, 07:34:06 am
  That was a good read Wolv, but after making a bad choice to install it, I made a much better choice when
I went back to 7.
  Interesting thing, with all the negative stuff about 8 in the media, is the number of people asking if there
are any options other than Microsoft.
  This might cost them more than what is obvious in the long run.
   Time, of course, will tell.
Title: Re: should have listened to Wolv
Post by: MadScientist267 on June 24, 2013, 06:28:56 pm
NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

I've forgotten my windoze password! AGAIN!!!

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Steve
Title: Re: should have listened to Wolv
Post by: Norm on June 25, 2013, 08:09:27 am
I guess there is no OS that on average will be the most troublefree
one above any others ......


Never ever had as much trouble with Apple IIE  .......
wasn't much help around when you did have trouble .....either .

LOL
Norm.

Guess most of you guys are worth listening too even when
you guys don't have the answer you are ......entertaining and interesting
ok somebody got on IRC
 
Title: Re: should have listened to Wolv
Post by: MadScientist267 on June 25, 2013, 04:19:42 pm
 All kidding aside Norm, that's pretty much it.

They all have their quirks, pros, cons, and that one certain thing that each can do that the others just can't quite do "just right".

It really does come down to preference, comfort zone, help availability, suitability, patience, and what you're willing to put up with to get done what needs to be done.

Rarely, if ever, are all of the above in agreement with each other at the same time, so you just  gotta go with what works for you.

Lucky for just about everyone around this place, nearly every OS in current/reasonably past circulation is being used by one member or another, some of us using a diversity to "git-r-done", so odds are, regardless what you choose, someone will be able to help you out with whatever you run across.

Even the Apple ][e... I have a working one in storage (albeit in need of a new keyboard now thanks to the ex, but that's another story entirely LOL)

Steve