Whats going on with Smart meters

[Norm]

Part of these plans are getting this place off the grid.
Tomorrow I pick up the first of my solar panels..

 Do you get the feeling that even if you cut your electric
consumption 30% of what it is now your bill will remain
almost the same ?
  It seems you just can't beat the system 
 

   Our electric company works on the assumption that
everyone is a deadbeat especially us.
   We've gone for years paying our electric bill on time
....making out a full payment check and mailing it off
the very same day we receive the bill ......yet if they mail
the bill to us in the afternoon and we don't get it as soon
as they expected .....therefore they don't get our payment
the day before yesterday.....they have already sent out a
late payment notice.....Ka Ching !   Late Payment Charge !
What a kick in the head......Hard to convince them that we
have to know how much we owe before we can  pay them....
Norm.

[Wolvenar]

Do you get the feeling that even if you cut your electric
consumption 30% of what it is now your bill will remain
almost the same ?

Yeah, I'm totally expecting to see that happen, or maybe it will increase yet again.

[tomw]

Part of these plans are getting this place off the grid.
Tomorrow I pick up the first of my solar panels..

 Do you get the feeling that even if you cut your electric
consumption 30% of what it is now your bill will remain
almost the same ?
  It seems you just can't beat the system 
 

   Our electric company works on the assumption that
everyone is a deadbeat especially us.
   We've gone for years paying our electric bill on time
....making out a full payment check and mailing it off
the very same day we receive the bill ......yet if they mail
the bill to us in the afternoon and we don't get it as soon
as they expected .....therefore they don't get our payment
the day before yesterday.....they have already sent out a
late payment notice.....Ka Ching !   Late Payment Charge !
What a kick in the head......Hard to convince them that we
have to know how much we owe before we can  pay them....
Norm.

Gee, Norm.

Is the name on the bill Ben Dover ?

If so maybe thats why every time you deal with them they say "bend over" ??

 

Tom

[Freejuice]

Do you get the feeling that even if you cut your electric
consumption 30% of what it is now your bill will remain
almost the same ?

Yeah, I'm totally expecting to see that happen, or maybe it will increase yet again.

LOL Norm,
 Just yesterday the POCO was out with a "report" that my meter was spinning backwards....they were right, they knew I had contacted them about signing an interconnection agreement ( one time fee of 100 bucks), and they were cool enough to say "you can mail it in a week or so" however I think they really got to wondering if I had broken the seal and flipped the meter upside down.
Apparently in the home office they can determine if someone is meter tampering...sure I was tampering...that meter was hauling ass backwards, but it was legal tampering...then the guy wanted to know  for safety concerns for linemen if I cut the main breaker off it would it still shut the solar down with the grid...so I gave him a test run of that, but I first warned him that when I throw the main breaker, he would still see that most of the lights in the house will remain on but without being connected to the grid....lol then he wanted to know about the windmill and outback inverter....
 With that outback inverter, if any excess power is being made above charging the batteries it goes into the grid, if the grid is up, thus it slows or spins my meter backwards...seen it done a few times in stong winds. But it  also kicks off feeding the grid if the grid goes down too, and I thenI burn the excess off in bank of resistiors.
It was a windy day when that guy was out here and  the controller was going "Clickity-Clack" dumping power into resistors while he stood there bathed in light knowing the main service breaker was off and not one watt was going back into the grid
 He said "Damn you've done your homework"

 LOL.... Sometimes it worth every penny to stick it to the man!
 I think more than one POCO is seriously seeing solar, wind...any R.E's as a serious threat to their monopoly

[Dave B.]

Really stick it to the man and cut the cord. Making power for the grid is a win, win, win for them. You are making their power (to sell), they have little investment in your tie in and they still got you on a string to play with your investment. Harvest and store if you can, sounds like you are almost there, I am very close myself.  Dave B.

[Isaiah]

it was showen at the time a cell on each side of the egg and locked on and music was set to them constantly for 12 hrs as I remember to cook the egg. this may or may not be true but look at how long these kids to day have those things stuck in their ear.or mashing those buttons i think they call it texting or something any ways it mind poison

[rossw]

it was showen at the time a cell on each side of the egg and locked on and music was set to them constantly for 12 hrs as I remember to cook the egg. this may or may not be true but look at how long these kids to day have those things stuck in their ear.or mashing those buttons i think they call it texting or something any ways it mind poison

OK. Lets assume 2 watts from each phone. Lets allow zero de-rating - even though as a digital transmission they will only be operating for some (relatively) small percentage of the time.

Lets assume 100% of the energy from each phone is completely radiated 100% into the egg. (Reality is that with a non-directional antenna, energy will be radiated across a wide range of angles).

After 12 hours, that would be 48 watt-hours. (The reality is it'd be more like 10% of that given the above wildly illogical over-allowances of 100% transmit time and catching 100% of the radiated energy etc).

Compare that to putting the same egg out in the midday sun in summer.
I just went and measured an egg from the fridge. If it captured the ENTIRE solar radiation of 1000W/m^2, that egg will absorb 2.7 watts. That's 32.4 watt-hours if it was in the mid-day sun for 12 hours.

So the reality is that having 2 phones stuffed up your nostrils for an hour is roughly equivalent to standing in the sun for 9 minutes.

[frackers]

There is an interesting 'tube video about that shows cooking up an egg with 4-5 mobiles in a circle on a coffee table.

They don't show the stripped out microwave oven under the table however blasting out 500w of 2.4GHz...

[Isaiah]

Norm you may want to inform the electric company that the bill is paid on the post mark!!!  the post mark is good enough for the federal government its good enough for all else
Not the day some office help enters it into your account
 one other tip if you pay by check or mo put your account number on the check! or else the secretary may take it to buy lunch.
 put it over there where it says memo.
 I had troubles with the garbage pick up company and also had credit card  numbers stolen from Amazon!!!

[Norm]

Thanks for the tips Isaiah....any help is always welcome.
Norm.

[ghurd]

My old neighbor guy got a water and sewer bill for... let us say $47.62?
However, it was for the home at WEST thisstreet, instead of EAST thisstreet.
So he heads down to the idiot hall.
He gets HIS correct bill, which is $47.62.
Really?
2 people in their 80s at the EAST address use as much water and sewer as 6~8 people at the WEST address, right down to the penny?

The last "estimated" bill i got from the water dept was $900.04.
Really?
$900.04?
One of those idiots can estimate it down to $0.04?  They can not differentiate between EAST and WEST.

And if I did NOT pay $900.04 they would shut the water off!
So I go down there, WITH my meter reading, and they say 'oops'.
It turns out I am overpaid by so much they won't even give me an estimate... go figure.

After 3 or 4 more estimated billing cycles that say my balance is $0, they send another bill that says they estimate I owe them money.

This estimate is from the people who estimated I owed them $900... and 4 cents.

However, I have NOT made a PAYMENT in 90 or 120 days, or whatever, apperently I am behind on making payments.
Hard to make a suitable paymet to them if they owe ME money!

And if I do not pay them what they estimate what I owe them, they will shut my water off in a few days, charge fees for bookkeeping, reconnection, etc to reconnect it.

Here is the kicker...
They charge 10% late fee. (not sure that is even legal)
Meaning $90 for a late fee when I did NOT owe them money, and they DID owe ME money?

FedEx left stuff on my porch, right before I go to work.
I didn't order it.
I call them, from work, "You left stuff on my porch that I did NOT order, and it ain't mine".
They can't do anything about it without this number and that number.
Uh...this is my address, this is the address where the stuff is supposed to be delivered, and the stuff is on the porch?  NOPE!  They don't even care where I am, or where the stuff is.  They won't even let me give them that data.
I call them back a few more times.
Its been more than a month.
The stuff is still on my porch.


Gawd.  I love this town.
G-

[Isaiah]

Norm,
if you want to turn the tables a little bit when you pay the bill you over pay a dollar!
then you are not late as you already payed on the next months bill if not they'll have to enter your credit  or send you a refund !
make their life as miserable as they do yours.
as these company's get closer to  bankruptcy the more tricks they will come up with a few cents from you a few from me befor you know its a lot of money.
isaiah

[WooferHound]

You can't even get an egg warm with 100 cell phones

[philb]

I have personally seen one small rural electric coop go from near bankruptcy to the caufers overflowing by adjusting the voltage a little higher. Mine is coming through the meter at 136 VAC instead  of 120 VAC. That might be what's happening elsewhere as well.

[Isaiah]

the extra 16 volts will be lost after it goes through the meter?
might be something for every one to safely check as close to their meter as they can.
 I got to go to town and look for some tin foil to reline my hat all these cell phones that don t have any out put.
 The cell may not put out the radiation but what about the satellite that is transmitting back and forth?